Jeremy Laura: 3rd Period explosion puts Wings past Habs - what happened?

Jeremy Laura: 3rd Period explosion puts Wings past Habs - what happened?
- Jeremy Laura

Wings are the garbage time warriors. We're bound to pick up a few wins in the last 20. Is it wrong for me to want to keep AA? I know we suck but I can't help being happy when we win a game. I miss that. But we know the Wings will celebrate like they just won the Cup and lose their next 8. 😉

Habs lost, getting in a better draft position.

I think this is perfect. Thanks Detroit!

Habs lost, getting in a better draft position.

I think this is perfect. Thanks Detroit!
- Scabeh

You're not catching us!

You're not catching us!
- gergeswillems

Agreed, no contest.

But I'm sure that with the right amount of lack of confidence and bad luck, we can be a very lite version of you guys.

Agreed, no contest.

But I'm sure that with the right amount of lack of confidence and bad luck, we can be a very lite version of you guys.
- Scabeh

Nah. We have no more games vs the Habs. We can't beat anyone else.

Wings are the garbage time warriors. We're bound to pick up a few wins in the last 20. Is it wrong for me to want to keep AA? I know we suck but I can't help being happy when we win a game. I miss that. But we know the Wings will celebrate like they just won the Cup and lose their next 8. 😉
- gergeswillems

Not wrong at all. When that kid is on, he’s amazing to watch. This bad season may be the thing that solidifies him as a Wing. Yzerman won’t give him away, and he needs a new deal.

It is so much more fun to win, and it feels good. Soak it up brother

Jeremy Laura: 3rd Period explosion puts Wings past Habs - what happened?
- Jeremy Laura

Slow down boys, another 15 wins and you may climb to 30th!!!!! But remember your up against the odds defying Devs

Nah. We have no more games vs the Habs. We can't beat anyone else.
- gergeswillems

Arent you like 3 and 0 against the bruins too?

Arent you like 3 and 0 against the bruins too?
- Aaron_85

2-1.

Slow down boys, another 15 wins and you may climb to 30th!!!!! But remember your up against the odds defying Devs
- bikeguy99

Yep. Somewhere in a secret vault is our winning strategy for the next 20 games. Apparently someone lost the key/combo and we’ve been trying to get it all this time.

Code name “McGuffin”

2-1.
- gergeswillems

Which is still bizarre...been fun though

2-1.
- gergeswillems

So 6 - 1 against the habs and bruins? Excellent.

Don't look now... but the Griffins are all kinds of fun to watch these days. They are on a hot streak right now and winning at home and on the road. So if you actually want to watch some winning you may want to stream them from AHL Live. They will make the playoffs at this pace no problem.

Enjoyed watching McIlrath give another beat down to another tough guy on the Rockford IceHogs that actually wanted a piece of him (big mistake). That Rockford guy ended up getting pummeled and skated away with a bloody nose.

Wings need McIlrath to keep their best players out of the scrums / fights and out of the penalty box. Would like to see him get another call up to Detroit.

Don't look now... but the Griffins are all kinds of fun to watch these days. They are on a hot streak right now and winning at home and on the road. So if you actually want to watch some winning you may want to stream them from AHL Live. They will make the playoffs at this pace no problem.

Enjoyed watching McIlrath give another beat down to another tough guy on the Rockford IceHogs that actually wanted a piece of him (big mistake). That Rockford guy ended up getting pummeled and skated away with a bloody nose.

Wings need McIlrath to keep their best players out of the scrums / fights and out of the penalty box. Would like to see him get another call up to Detroit.
- Vladdie_Kon1

I know McIlrath is an AHL plug but no one can tell me that lazy slug Abdelkader offers any more value to the Red Wings than he does. Send Dear Abby to Grand Rapids and call up McIlrath. Give us some entertainment for the last 20 games! 😊

So 6 - 1 against the habs and bruins? Excellent.
- Aaron_85

It's weird. Both teams used to own the Red Wings. It just shows teams don't take the Wings seriously. Like back in the day when stacked Wings teams would lose to the odd doormat. I'd wonder, how the Heck did that happen?

Yep. Somewhere in a secret vault is our winning strategy for the next 20 games. Apparently someone lost the key/combo and we’ve been trying to get it all this time.

Code name “McGuffin”
- Jeremy Laura

Code name "Process."

Wings are the garbage time warriors. We're bound to pick up a few wins in the last 20. Is it wrong for me to want to keep AA? I know we suck but I can't help being happy when we win a game. I miss that. But we know the Wings will celebrate like they just won the Cup and lose their next 8. 😉
- gergeswillems

Depends on what you mean by keep?

I've been on team "trade AA" for probably a year and a half but starting to think it might be smarter to try to retain him for at least another year.

I still think he's probably not in the long-term plans, but I also hate the idea of trading him now, when his trade value is probably about as low as it'll get. Keeping him around and hoping he rebounds and boosts his value next year might be worth the risk.

I haven't heard this suggested anywhere else, but I'm wondering if it might make sense for Detroit to take AA to arbitration (team-filed) this offseason instead of making a qualifying offer.

If I understand the rules about arbitration and free agency correctly:

- Arbiter's decision would be binding (since the team filed) so neither party could walk away from a ruling.
- AA could choose a 1-year or 2-year contract. If he chooses the 1-year he'd still be an RFA upon expiry. So either way, if he does get traded during the season, the team he goes to would get some security (either RFA status or one additional full season).

Thoughts?

Depends on what you mean by keep?

I've been on team "trade AA" for probably a year and a half but starting to think it might be smarter to try to retain him for at least another year.

I still think he's probably not in the long-term plans, but I also hate the idea of trading him now, when his trade value is probably about as low as it'll get. Keeping him around and hoping he rebounds and boosts his value next year might be worth the risk.

I haven't heard this suggested anywhere else, but I'm wondering if it might make sense for Detroit to take AA to arbitration (team-filed) this offseason instead of making a qualifying offer.

If I understand the rules about arbitration and free agency correctly:

- Arbiter's decision would be binding (since the team filed) so neither party could walk away from a ruling.
- AA could choose a 1-year or 2-year contract. If he chooses the 1-year he'd still be an RFA upon expiry. So either way, if he does get traded during the season, the team he goes to would get some security (either RFA status or one additional full season).

Thoughts?
- Sven22

I don't believe AA would get fair value in a trade right now. Teams think it's bargain time and will try to fleece Yzerman. Yzerman doesn't get fleeced. Why trade him just for the sake of trading him? He's 25. Makes no sense. Yzerman doesn't owe it to any GM to do them a favour and get ripped off.

Even if a team is willing to give Yzerman a late first round pick that's a gamble too. Will that pick be as good or better than AA is right now? AA can still improve. I'd like to see what he can do playing for a good NHL head coach (like Gallant) before we throw him away and make another team better.

It's another issue entirely regarding his contract. His agent is Darren Ferris and he's as pleasant to deal with as getting root canal. But Yzerman doesn't allow himself to be bullied by greedy agents. He won't knuckle under. Just ask Jonathan Drouin or Marty St. Louis.

AA scored 30 goals last season and is having an abysmal season this year. So what can an arbiter award him? I can't see him breaking the bank. Bottom line is that I keep him for another season. I'm not listening to lowball offers. GMs like Holland can F off with their crap offers.

If a team makes an offer Yzerman can't refuse then of course he should make the trade. But I can't see that happening. Let's see what AA can do playing for a good head coach and hopefully an improved roster next season. Teams can kick rocks. Call Dorion and bend him over. He likes that.

Not really adding anything new here, just saying that my argument for trading AA in the past was that I felt that:

- His perceived value leaguewide was higher than his actual value. You see 30 goals, and it's easy to ignore how much of a one-trick pony he actually is.

- He would probably be more valuable to a decent-to-above-average team with good structure but lacking in offensive weapons (e.g., Carolina) than he is to Detroit. The right team could both maximize his skills and mitigate his weaknesses, whereas Detroit can't really do either.

Number two is still true. Number one probably isn't given his lack of scoring this year and blasphemous plus/minus. (Not that plus/minus actually means anything, but old school GMs still care.)

The cat's probably out of the bag for good that AA is awful defensively, but hopefully he can at least go back to scoring buckets of goals long enough to rehabilitate a portion of his reputation.

Not really adding anything new here, just saying that my argument for trading AA in the past was that I felt that:

- His perceived value leaguewide was higher than his actual value. You see 30 goals, and it's easy to ignore how much of a one-trick pony he actually is.

- He would probably be more valuable to a decent-to-above-average team with good structure but lacking in offensive weapons (e.g., Carolina) than he is to Detroit. The right team could both maximize his skills and mitigate his weaknesses, whereas Detroit can't really do either.

Number two is still true. Number one probably isn't given his lack of scoring this year and blasphemous plus/minus. (Not that plus/minus actually means anything, but old school GMs still care.)

The cat's probably out of the bag for good that AA is awful defensively, but hopefully he can at least go back to scoring buckets of goals long enough to rehabilitate a portion of his reputation.
- Sven22

If anything keep him another season and increase his trade value. He has clear deficiencies in his game. He's having a terrible season. So GMs are trying to lowball Yzerman into making a bad trade. But there's no rush to trade AA. Detroit isn't competing for the Cup next season.

I just don't see the need to trade AA unless Yzerman is blown away with an offer he can't refuse. If Tampa had offered Yzerman for AA what NJ got for Coleman I would've made that trade. But I wouldn't take what the Kings got for Toffoli. And those are the types of trade offers I believe Yzerman is getting for AA.

Hang the phone up. AA isn't a rental. On the right team playing with the right coach and the right linemates, AA can be a serious X factor in the playoffs. That's why teams are interested. He has some serious value given his age, skill set and speed. Despite his obvious flaws (hockey IQ, defensive awareness) he'd be a great addition to any contender.

Bottom line? Pay up or hang up.

If anything keep him another season and increase his trade value. He has clear deficiencies in his game. He's having a terrible season. So GMs are trying to lowball Yzerman into making a bad trade. But there's no rush to trade AA. Detroit isn't competing for the Cup next season.

I just don't see the need to trade AA unless Yzerman is blown away with an offer he can't refuse. If Tampa had offered Yzerman for AA what NJ got for Coleman I would've made that trade. But I wouldn't take what the Kings got for Toffoli. And those are the types of trade offers I believe Yzerman is getting for AA.

Hang the phone up. AA isn't a rental. On the right team playing with the right coach and the right linemates, AA can be a serious X factor in the playoffs. That's why teams are interested. He has some serious value given his age, skill set and speed. Despite his obvious flaws (hockey IQ, defensive awareness) he'd be a great addition to any contender.

Bottom line? Pay up or hang up.
- gergeswillems

I pretty much agree with this.